Subject: Re: FOI — Welsh Office / Cadw papers, July–December 1988 — Great House Farm (Ty Mawr), Llandough — following 26FOI 103 (ATISN 27589)
From: Sion Buckler
Direction: sent
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2026 15:34 UTC
Institution: Welsh Government / Cadw
Refs: 26FOI103, ATISN27589
Archive id: gm-1a0f81abba064237
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Dear Dr Wigley,
Thank you for your acknowledgement of ATISN 27589 and confirmation that a
response is due by 26 October 2026.
For the avoidance of doubt, I should clarify the two historical dates
reproduced in your acknowledgement:
“Possession was taken on 29 November 1988” and “Demolition of the farmhouse
began on 6 December 1988” were included in my request as contextual
information identifying the period and events to which the requested
records relate. Their repetition in the acknowledgement should not be
treated as an acceptance by me that either date, or any legal
characterisation of possession or demolition, has been established by the
Welsh Government or by me. This whole situation maybe unprecedented. It was
already a landmark legal case in 1987, without this added layer we may now
be understanding.
My request is for recorded information held by the Welsh Government/Cadw
concerning the matters specified in points 1–3. I am not asking Cadw to
determine title, possession, limitation or any other legal issue, and
nothing in this FOI correspondence is intended to constitute an admission,
waiver, settlement or abandonment of any rights or position concerning
those matters.
Please also expressly confirm that records falling within the scope of
ATISN 27589, including any relevant historic listing, inspection,
photographic, administrative and file-disposal records, will be preserved
pending completion of the request and any applicable internal review or
complaint process.
I look forward to the substantive response by 26 October. And sincerely
thank you for your time and attention in this matter. You are appreciated.
Regards,
Sion Buckler (Ret'd Sergeant) Royal Signals Cyber/Electronic Warfare
Professional and Life Member
On Thu, 1 Oct 2026, 15:26 , <[email redacted]> wrote:
> Dear Mr Buckler,
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> *ATISN 27589 - Great House Farm, Llandough*
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> Thank you for your request which I received on 29 September. You asked
> for:
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> 1. Any consideration, between 1 July and 31 December 1988, of listing,
> spot-listing or emergency listing of Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr,
> Llandough-juxta-Penarth, adjoining St Dochdwy's (approx. ST 168 733).
> 2. Any inspection, photograph, minute or note of the building, or of
> its demolition, in that period. Possession was taken on 29 November 1988.
> Demolition of the farmhouse began on 6 December 1988.
> 3. Any transfer, destruction or disposal of those files, with the
> schedule used and the date.
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> You will receive a response by 26 October 2026. If you have any queries
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> Yours sincerely
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> Andy Wigley
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> Dr Andy Wigley
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> Prif Arolygydd – Pennaeth Arolygiaeth yr Amgylchedd Hanesyddol / Chief
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sion Buckler <[email redacted]>
> Sent: 28 September 2026 22:42
> To: Freedom of Information Officer <[email redacted]>
> Cc: [email redacted]
> Subject: FOI — Welsh Office / Cadw papers, July–December 1988 — Great
> House Farm (Ty Mawr), Llandough — following 26FOI 103
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>
>
> Freedom of Information
>
> Welsh Government
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> [email redacted]
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> cc: [email redacted] — so 26FOI 103 stays on the same fact
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> Sirs/Madam,
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> Request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.
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> Requester: Sion Buckler.
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> Wales Office, in 26FOI 103 dated 22 September 2026, said historic Welsh
> Office / Cadw listing papers for this house sit with you. This is that
> request. I am not asking you to decide title.
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> Please disclose recorded information held by the Welsh Government or by
> Cadw as part of it concerning:
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>
>
> 1. Any consideration, between 1 July and 31 December 1988, of listing,
> spot-listing or emergency listing of Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr,
> Llandough-juxta-Penarth, adjoining St Dochdwy's (approx. ST 168 733).
>
> 2. Any inspection, photograph, minute or note of the building, or of its
> demolition, in that period. Possession was taken on 29 November 1988.
> Demolition of the farmhouse began on 6 December 1988.
>
> 3. Any transfer, destruction or disposal of those files, with the schedule
> used and the date.
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> If nothing is held, please say what was searched, including Cadw listing
> files, Welsh Office inherited files, and any index of destroyed building
> records.
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> The public evidence index is
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgreathousefarmwiki.wordpress.com%2F&data=05%7C02%7CFreedom.ofinformation%40gov.wales%7Ce029caee52814a3b432208df1da95c68%7Ca2cc36c592804ae78887d06dab89216b%7C0%7C0%7C639262285389715752%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xkALWerkSzniYZhge00mFdOGmXpaU1i9ZVJTPzZeRKM%3D&reserved=0
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> . The investigation distinguishes Parcel A (farmhouse, garden, buildings
> and yard — the family's maintained freehold) from Parcel B (eastern fields
> — not presently disputed). The 1987 Court of Appeal decided possession,
> limitation and the October 1974 letters. It did not decide whether the
> documentary root of Parcel A was ever established. These papers go to that
> question. They are not a finding against Cadw.
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> Please confirm the reference and the 20 working-day date, and preserve
> anything in scope.
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> Nothing in this letter abandons any claim concerning title, registration,
> concealment, limitation or reopening. This is not a claim form.
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> Yours faithfully,
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> Sion Buckler (Ret'd Sergeant)
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> Royal Signals
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> [email redacted]
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