Subject: RE: Ty Mawr, Llandough, Cardiff From: Glamro / Swyddfa Cofnodion Morgannwg Direction: received Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2026 15:31 UTC Institution: Glamorgan Archives Refs: none Archive id: gm-1a0f2f0f54a36630 ------------------------------------------------------------ Ref: 2026/4097b Dear Sion Buckler, Thank you for your additional email that was received on 8th September. Please accept our apologies for the delay in responding; we have recently been receiving a large number of enquiries. In response to your questions below: 1. Daniel Thomas 1877 deed: we do not appear to hold any deeds relating to this transaction. A search of our catalogue has been carried out and we cannot suggest any documents that would be worth searching to find record of the transaction you are seeking information on that are within our collections. There are some records in the Cardiff Library Bute collection that may be relevant though, see point 3 below. 2. D696 Western Ground Rents: please see our catalogue for descriptions of the three volumes included in this collection: D696/1, D696/2, D696/3. As mentioned previously, a member of our team could search these records on your behalf at a charge, or they can be accessed for free in our public searchroom. Only once the records have been searched would we be able to confirm whether any information is held within them in relation to land in Llandough and Ty Mawr / Great House Farm. 3. Cardiff Library Bute Estate records: one possible record that could be worth searching in this collection is document reference Bute X.6(12) which contains abstracts of payments and receipts by the trustees of the Marquis of Bute's properties, 1877 (copy). Other similar records in Bute X might also be of interest (see attached catalogue). These records are currently still with Cardiff Library so you should contact them about access in the short-term. 4. Land Valuation 1910 maps at National Archives: please the National Archives’ research guide on the land valuation records for guidance on how to find the maps: Land use, value and ownership: Valuation Office Survey 1910-1915 - The National Archives. When enquiring with the National Archives, ensure you are asking specifically about the 1910 land valuation survey maps. The Ordnance Survey sheet that is relevant to your search is Glamorgan XLVII.6. We hope that this information is of use to you. We will answer your remaining emails in due course. Yours sincerely, Louise Hunt Archifydd / Archivist Archifau Morgannwg / Glamorgan Archives Clos Parc Morgannwg Lecwydd / Leckwith Caerdydd / Cardiff [postcode redacted] [phone redacted] [email redacted]<[email redacted]> www.archifaumorgannwg.gov.uk/ www.glamarchives.gov.uk www.facebook.com/glamarchives www.instagram.com/glamarchives From: Sion Buckler <[email redacted]> Sent: 07 September 2026 20:55 To: Glamro / Swyddfa Cofnodion Morgannwg <[email redacted]> Subject: Re: Ty Mawr, Llandough, Cardiff EXTERNAL: This email originated from outside Cardiff Council, take care when clicking links. ALLANOL: Daw'r e-bost hwn o'r tu allan i Gyngor Caerdydd, cymerwch ofal wrth glicio ar ddolenni. Louise, Thanks for your detailed and prompt reply and for the additional information concerning the Bute Estate records and D696. I just want to clarify one important point in relation to my original enquiry, as I think I may have caused a slight misunderstanding about the particular transaction I am trying to establish. My principal question is not whether there are deeds between the Bute Estate and Alfred Thomas. The key transaction I am trying to locate and verify is the 1877 transaction concerning Daniel Thomas and the Bute Estate, which I understand from the surviving family evidence to have concerned a defined portion of Great House Farm, including the farmhouse and surrounding land. I see an 1877 agreement between both parties, for that year, but for a different property in Cardiff. I wondered if it was mis labelled and if you could validify its content, particularly any map data. So as the integrity of the descriptor of the record is assured or revisited. The issue is whether the Bute Estate conveyed, granted or otherwise dealt with that defined parcel in favour of Daniel Thomas, and, crucially, what the instrument and its plan actually show about the boundaries and the nature of the interest created. In 1877. This is important because the present documentary reconstruction I am preparing treats the 1877 instrument as the potential starting point for the separate House Plot chain. The working case is that the instrument dealt with the farmhouse land separately from the eastern agricultural/quarrying parcel, with provisions connected to quarrying and the subsequent passing of the house land to the occupying Williams family when quarrying ceased. That proposition is expressly being treated as a matter requiring verification against the original instrument and plan, rather than as an established fact. I therefore wonder whether the catalogue search could be reconsidered specifically on the following basis: Bute Estate → Daniel Thomas → defined land at Llandough / Great House Farm, approximately 1876–1878 including instruments which may not themselves be catalogued under “Great House Farm” or “Daniel Thomas”, but which might appear under: * the name of the property or former field name; * the Marquess of Bute or his trustees as grantor; * Daniel Thomas as builder, quarryman, lime-burner or occupier; * a lease, conveyance, agreement, surrender or counterpart; * quarrying or mineral rights; * a plan accompanying an instrument; * or a transaction recorded in a Bute Estate rental, ledger or estate correspondence rather than in the deed catalogue. I appreciate that your catalogue may simply contain no surviving record of this transaction. If that is the position, that is useful information in itself. What I am particularly trying to establish is whether the 1877 transaction has been positively searched for and not found, as opposed to there being no later catalogue entry linking Daniel or Alfred Thomas to the Bute Estate. D696 and the later Western Ground Rents material Thank you also for pointing me towards D696. Please do let me know which item(s) within D696 contain the book plans and rental books for Western Ground Rents Ltd c.1938–1944, particularly anything relating to Great House Farm, Llandough or the land occupied by John Williams. This is potentially very relevant because the documentary issue I am investigating is whether the later WGR estate corresponded geographically with the parcel dealt with by the Bute Estate in 1877, or instead with the separate agricultural/quarrying parcel. Bute Estate finding aid I would also be grateful if you could retain my enquiry against the Bute Estate material being transferred from Cardiff Library. In particular, I would be interested in any items concerning: * Llandough / Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr; * Daniel Thomas; * the 1870s Bute Estate conveyances or leases; * estate plans showing parcel boundaries; * quarrying or lime works; * rentals distinguishing the farm from the farmhouse/cottages; and * subsequent dealings with the relevant parcels. 1910 Land Valuation map Finally, thank you for identifying DVAL/1/33. If Glamorgan Archives has any information enabling me to identify the corresponding 1910 valuation map held by The National Archives, I would be grateful for the relevant reference. I am trying to make a targeted request rather than simply asking The National Archives to search broadly for a Llandough map. Thank you again for your assistance. The clarification regarding what is and is not held at Glamorgan Archives is useful, and I appreciate your help in narrowing down the surviving documentary trail. 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