Subject: RE: Ty Mawr, Llandough, Cardiff From: Glamro / Swyddfa Cofnodion Morgannwg Direction: received Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2026 16:46 UTC Institution: Glamorgan Archives Refs: none Archive id: gm-1a07cc3e251e0967 ------------------------------------------------------------ Ref: 2026/3793 Dear Sion Buckler, Thank you for your email of 22nd August, received into our enquiries system 24th August. To answer your points in turn: 1. DBDT/10/19 describes Daniel Thomas as ‘of the Town of Cardiff, Builder’. There are no further identifying details for Daniel Thomas in the documents. We can provide copies of the documents at a charge or they can be accessed for free in our public searchroom. Please let us know if you would like a quote for digital copies. 2. There are no additional deeds described on our catalogue between Daniel or Alfred Thomas and the Bute Estate. 3. There are no additional records relating to quarrying in Llandough or around Ty Mawr / Great House Farm. 4. If you have not already got a copy of Daniel Thomas’ will, you can apply for a copy of probate from the Probate Office: Search probate records for documents and wills (England and Wales) - GOV.UK. 5. We think you have probably already covered all the material we have on this matter but… 1-3) We do not hold the majority of the Bute Estate records. I attach a finding aid to the Bute Estate records that are currently held by Cardiff Library. These records are soon to be transferred to us so please let us know if there is anything on this list that you are interested in. Other records of the Bute Estate can be found at the National Library of Wales. 4) We are not sure if you have consulted D696 which includes a book plans and rental books for land owned by Western Ground Rents Ltd c1938-1944. 6. Have you looked at historic Ordnance Survey plans to show boundaries? Some of these can be viewed online e.g. Map Finder - with Outlines - National Library of Scotland. Mary consulted the 1910 Land Valuation book for Llandough (DVAL/1/33) but we do not have the corresponding maps to go with this – you would need to contact the National Archives for a copy of this. We hope that this information is of use to you. Please note that we aim to answer all emails in order but the longer more complicated ones may take up to 15 working days to respond to. Yours sincerely, Louise Hunt Archifydd / Archivist Archifau Morgannwg / Glamorgan Archives Clos Parc Morgannwg Lecwydd / Leckwith Caerdydd / Cardiff [postcode redacted] [phone redacted] [email redacted]<[email redacted]> www.archifaumorgannwg.gov.uk/ www.glamarchives.gov.uk www.facebook.com/glamarchives www.instagram.com/glamarchives From: Sion Buckler <[email redacted]> Sent: 22 August 2026 19:57 To: Glamro / Swyddfa Cofnodion Morgannwg <[email redacted]> Subject: Ty Mawr, Llandough, Cardiff EXTERNAL: This email originated from outside Cardiff Council, take care when clicking links. ALLANOL: Daw'r e-bost hwn o'r tu allan i Gyngor Caerdydd, cymerwch ofal wrth glicio ar ddolenni. Glamorgan Archives Team, I am writing to make a targeted archive research enquiry concerning the DBDT collection and any related Bute, Mountjoy or Western Ground Rents material held by Glamorgan Archives. I am investigating the historic title, occupation and parcel boundaries of Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr), Llandough, particularly evidence concerning a possible historical division of the farm between land retained by the Bute Estate and land allegedly sold or transferred to Daniel Thomas. A family witness account describes a specific arrangement under which approximately ten acres, including the farmhouse, were allegedly sold by the Bute Estate to Daniel Thomas, while a separate portion of approximately nine acres remained under the Bute Estate. The account further describes quarrying on the Thomas-held land and an agreement under which the freehold would eventually pass to the occupying family when quarrying ceased. I appreciate that this account requires verification against the original documentary record. I am therefore seeking to identify the relevant deeds, agreements, plans and subsequent title documents. 1. Verification of specific DBDT catalogue entries Please confirm the exact property description, parties and date of the following catalogue entries, and, if possible, provide a digital copy or scan of the opening parties clause and any attached or marginal plan: * DBDT10/19 – Lease (counterpart), described in the catalogue as concerning land and messuages in Bute Street, Cardiff, from trustees of the late Marquess of Bute to Mr Daniel Thomas, October 1850. * DBDT10/20 – Agreement for a building lease of premises in Bute Town, Cardiff, involving the same parties, June 1849. I understand from the catalogue descriptions that these items concern Cardiff rather than Llandough. My purpose is to establish whether the Daniel Thomas named in these instruments can be identified sufficiently to determine whether he is the same individual later connected with the Llandough lime works and land interests, or whether these are unrelated transactions involving another person of the same name. Please also advise whether either document contains information identifying Daniel Thomas by residence, occupation, estate, trusteeship or other distinguishing details. 2. Targeted search for a Bute–Daniel Thomas transaction at or near Llandough Please search the catalogue descriptions and indexes available to Glamorgan Archives for any deed, conveyance, exchange, sale, transfer, lease, agreement, plan or related instrument involving: * Daniel Thomas; * Alfred Thomas; * the Marquess of Bute; * trustees of the Marquess of Bute; * the Bute Estate; and land at or near: * Llandough; * Great House Farm / Great House / Tŷ Mawr; * adjoining land or parcels that may subsequently have formed part of the farm. I am particularly interested in transactions dating from approximately 1876 to 1878, but would be grateful for references to earlier or later documents where they form part of the same chain of title. In particular, I am seeking evidence capable of confirming or disproving whether any defined parcel of land was conveyed by the Bute Estate to Daniel Thomas. 3. Quarrying, lime works and any conditional reversion or transfer Please identify any relevant records concerning land at Llandough or Great House Farm that refer to: * quarrying; * quarries or quarry land; * lime works or lime kilns; * mineral rights; * removal of quarrying machinery; * reduction or cessation of rent as land was quarried; * termination of quarrying; * a future conveyance, reversion, surrender or transfer of a freehold interest when quarrying ceased. The particular issue I am investigating is whether an agreement existed under which occupation or ownership of a defined parcel was intended to change when quarrying operations came to an end. 4. Daniel Thomas, Alfred Thomas and the Llandough lime works Please identify any documents linking Daniel Thomas, or his son Alfred Thomas (later Lord Pontypridd), with: * land at Llandough; * the Llandough lime works or lime kilns; * quarrying operations; * Great House Farm or adjoining agricultural land; * any freehold or leasehold interest in the area. I would be particularly interested in estate papers, correspondence, conveyances, wills, probate-related estate records, rentals, rent books, abstracts of title and plans that may trace what became of any Daniel Thomas interest after his death or thereafter. 5. Subsequent title and occupation Please identify any abstracts of title, estate maps, conveyances, correspondence, tenancy records or other material that may assist in establishing: 1. what happened to any freehold interest held by Daniel Thomas or his estate; 2. whether such an interest was ever conveyed, surrendered or transferred back to the Bute Estate or another party; 3. whether the Bute Estate later reacquired any relevant parcel; 4. whether later parties, including Mountjoy Ltd or Western Ground Rents Ltd, acquired title to land previously held by Daniel Thomas or his successors; 5. the basis on which later tenancies described as covering the "whole" of Great House Farm were granted. I am also interested in any material linking these title questions with the occupation of the farm by the Williams family. 6. Plans and parcel boundaries A separate line of research concerns the possibility that historic legal boundaries passed through or between different parts of the Great House Farm complex. Accordingly, please identify any: * estate maps; * conveyance plans; * tenancy plans; * quarry plans; * large-scale plans; * boundary plans; * valuation plans; that show Great House Farm, the farmhouse, garden, stables, outbuildings or adjoining parcels. I am particularly interested in documents that could establish whether different parts of the historic building complex fell within different legal parcels. I appreciate that some of these requests may require staff research beyond a standard enquiry. My immediate priority is to obtain the relevant catalogue references and confirmation of what material exists. If more detailed searching or document retrieval is necessary, please let me know the applicable procedure, estimated cost and whether a formal paid research request would be required. If relevant documents have been digitised, I would be grateful for details of the cost of obtaining copies. Otherwise, please advise whether they can be consulted in person and whether any restrictions or advance ordering requirements apply. Thank you for your assistance. The documents identified through this enquiry may be important to reconstructing the historical chain of title and occupation of Great House Farm, Llandough from the nineteenth century onwards. Yours faithfully, Sion Buckler (Ret'd Sergeant) ********************************************************************** The Council welcomes correspondence in Welsh, English or bilingually. We will ensure that we communicate with you in the language of your choice, as long as you let us know which you prefer. Corresponding in Welsh will not lead to delay. Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. 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